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Latest comment: 9 days ago by UtherSRG in topic Inappropriate Image

Semi-protected edit request on 20 September 2026

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Change requested

Please modify the taxobox of the article to explicitly display the missing sub- and infraorder (respectively, Haplorhini and Simiiformes) in the lineage sidebar.

Rationale for the change

The current default taxobox layout hides these clades. This inadvertently reinforces a widespread, unscientific misconception in vernacular language, namely the cultural belief that Homo sapiens is entirely excluded from the monkey clade (Simiiformes).

From a modern cladistic perspective, humans are cladistically nested within Simiiformes. Displaying sub- and infraorder would provide critical educational clarity. Umbranimus (talk) 11:08, 20 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

 Not done: Your rationale is not compelling; should we also display all of the intermediary ranks up to Primates from Homo? I think not. By default, we show intermediary ranks from the article's subject to the next higher primary rank, and then only primary ranks above that. I have, however, made it so that when the user clicks on Hominoidea in the taxobox, the article they go to shows the ranks you are desiring to see. These ranks should have been displayed there, in alignment with our standards. - In solidarity, UtherSRG (talk) 14:41, 20 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
Hi, I don't think it would be useful to display every intermediate rank either, especially since the taxobox already allows ancestral taxa to be displayed. Nor am I disputing the rationale behind the default layout. My point is specifically that, in the particular case of Homo sapiens, explicitly displaying the Simiiformes infraorder would provide useful educational clarity given the widespread misconception that humans are somehow excluded from the monkey clade.
I agree that broadening the exception globally would not be appropriate, since infraorders are generally low-importance taxonomic clutter for most species. My proposal is specifically for a narrowly scoped exception on the H. sapiens page only, so that Simiiformes would be displayed there without changing the default behavior of other primate taxoboxes, if this is technically feasible.
Given the particular educational value of making this relationship explicit on the H. sapiens page, I think such a narrowly scoped exception is warranted. Umbranimus (talk) 16:00, 20 September 2026 (UTC)Reply
Simiiformes is a technical term not many people will be familiar with. So adding it would provide very little educational value. The taxbox already includes Primates, which is a term more widely known and better clarifies the potential misconception you mention. Vpab15 (talk) 10:29, 21 September 2026 (UTC)Reply

No direct mention of "The arts" in the lead?

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Creating and engaging with art is something that sets humans apart from other species, and almost every human engages with it in some way, even if it's just listening to music or watching films. Given that stuff like science, philosophy and religion are all mentioned, I see no reason why the arts/art shouldn't be in the lead as well.

Would appreciate your thoughts. Gauzecard (talk) 11:52, 2 October 2026 (UTC)Reply

I completely agree; this could potentially even be worth mentioning in the first paragraph, after the mention of science and technology. ARoseThorn (talk) 04:34, 5 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
Agreed. Art is one of the important benchmarks, and in my understanding there is evidence its use extends beyond just the extant homo sapiens members of the human family tree. GeogSage (⚔Chat?⚔) 05:50, 5 October 2026 (UTC)Reply

Remove info on Human Genome Project &c.

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The "Genetics" subsection contains several sentences about specific projects to catalog the human genome:

In 1984, the US government began to plan the Human Genome Project (HGP), which officially started in 1990.[1] Utilizing the data from the HGP, 92% of the human genome was first sequenced in 2001.[2] After the HGP was completed in April 2003, the All of Us Research Program in 2022 released its first major dataset, which included nearly 100,000 whole genome sequences. By April 2023, approximately 245,000 genomes had been sequenced.[3] In 2012, the International HapMap Project had compared the genomes of 1,184 individuals from 11 populations and identified 1.6 million single nucleotide polymorphisms.[4]

To me, this seems pretty extraneous for an article about humans, but I didn't want to unilaterally remove it without discussion. ARoseThorn (talk) 04:31, 5 October 2026 (UTC)Reply

Yep that is far to detailed. No need for all those dates. Can reduce to a sentence or two.
The majority of the human genome was first sequenced in 2001, with complete sequencing accomplished in 2022. It discovered that humans have about 20 000 protein-coding genes, with many different variants.
Aircorn (talk) 09:02, 5 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
Yup. All that is needed. AndyTheGrump (talk) 12:10, 5 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
I strongly disagree with that we don't have space for one wikilink to the biggest cooperative scientific endeavor in human history. Mausfield (talk) 18:25, 8 October 2026 (UTC)Reply
Articles are not merely repositories of interesting links. — An anonymous username, not my real name 16:45, 21 October 2026 (UTC)Reply

References

  1. ↑ "NOVA Online | Cracking the Code of Life". www.pbs.org. Retrieved 2026-03-30.
  2. ↑ Pennisi E (February 2001). "The human genome". Science. 291 (5507): 1177–1180. doi:10.1126/science.291.5507.1177. PMID 11233420.
  3. ↑ "All of Us Research Program | National Institutes of Health (NIH)". allofus.nih.gov. Retrieved 2026-04-09.
  4. ↑ Altshuler DM, Gibbs RA, Peltonen L, Altshuler DM, Gibbs RA, Peltonen L, et al. (September 2010). "Integrating common and rare genetic variation in diverse human populations". Nature. 467 (7311): 52–58. Bibcode:2010Natur.467...52T. doi:10.1038/nature09298. PMC 3173859. PMID 20811451.

Inappropriate Image

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There is a image showing private parts, please delete it. ~2026-56908-39 (talk) 17:58, 24 October 2026 (UTC)Reply

No. Wikipedia is not censored. - In solidarity, UtherSRG (talk) 18:30, 24 October 2026 (UTC)Reply