User talk:Fram

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:1560 in Denmark

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:1560s disestablishments in Denmark

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:1538 in Denmark

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CfD nomination at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2026 July 14 § Category:1646 establishments in Cyprus

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:1873 in Malta

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:1890 in Malta

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:1894 in Malta

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Articles for Creation backlog drive

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:1911 in Cyprus

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:1920 in Cyprus

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:1924 in Cyprus

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Draft:The Waiter (2024 film)

@Fram Hello Is there any specific reason why you move this back to draft ? and tagged as COI? Please enlighten me. Afro 📢Talk! 14:27, 22 July 2026 (UTC)

In your edit summary, you wrote, and I quote: ("Please let someone uninvolved decide this.") Please explain to me why u feel this has COI Written over it checked the talk page i made a complain when the editor who is now blocked for sock submitted without completing the draft. Afro 📢Talk! 14:32, 22 July 2026 (UTC)

The sources are, I'm sorry to say, the typical paid-for or regurgitated press releases typical for many Nigerian sites and newspapers it seems. The COI issue came from an editor who heavily promoted Livespot and related companies, which is also prominently present in your article (e.g. in the lead, with a source which does't even mention the location and is of very dubious quality). Many of the sources are just either copied from each other or from the same press release, and aren't thus the required multiple independent sources. For example,

• "ThisDayLive: "Held at Livespot Entertarium, Lekki, Lagos,[...]The evening kicked off with a star-studded red carpet event, where celebrities brought their A-game in jaw-dropping outfits. "
• TheNationOnline: "Held at Livespot Entertarium, Lekki, Lagos, the evening kicked off with a star-studded red carpet event, where celebrities brought their jaw-dropping outfits."
• Vanguard Nigeria: "the celebrities[...] brought their A-game in jaw-dropping outfits."

Similarly, the three sources claim "AY, the comedic genius who executive produced the film, arrived in style, expressing his excitement for the film" "AY arrived in style, expressing his excitement for the film’s release" and "AY, the comedy genius and Executive Producer, arrived in style, [...]. He expressed his excitement for the film’s release,"

Please try to only use genuine journalistic sources, and not such promotional pieces. Fram (talk) 14:53, 22 July 2026 (UTC)

@Fram Okay, I understand your point now. So, the issue is the live spot. Don't think I was the one who added the Livespot source. If that's the issue, it can simply be removed. Cleanup finished. Removed mention of Livespot promotional content. You may move to mainspace yourself after reviewing it. Also, removed COI template because I have absolutely no conflict of interest regarding the banned editor. Afro 📢Talk! 15:25, 22 July 2026 (UTC)

Best to just submit it at AfC and let someone without previous involvement with the article check it. Fram (talk) 07:46, 23 July 2026 (UTC)

Filter magic

Hope you don't mind the message, as this felt a bit too tangential for CE's talkpage, but with the magic of filters -- you can see what the deleted page was. Some aura of ChatGPT, but, well, I've seen worst first edits. GreenLipstickLesbian💌🧸 08:34, 23 July 2026 (UTC)

Thank you, didn't know that (and, while very useful here, can also be problematic of course if we talk about severe BLP violations and the like, things we really want to hide from view for non-admins). I have no real issue with the deletion (though moving to a sandbox and using it as a tool to explain what was wrong and what kind of editing we expect would have been better), but to indef block someone, without any warning at all, over this? That's madness. And seems to be the standard MO for this admin. I hope they rapidly change their approach, they got a lot of feedback recently from different people. Fram (talk) 08:39, 23 July 2026 (UTC)

Oh yeah, ever since I learnt how to view these, I've sent more than a few messages to admins/OS people asking for some emergency removals.

I think I share your opinions on overhasty blocks and excessively quick deletions in general -- I left a message a few months ago about something related, if you're interested. (+ follow up ) GreenLipstickLesbian💌🧸 08:48, 23 July 2026 (UTC)

Wait, what? This was deleted as unambiguous promotion? How dreadful. This is one of those times I wished I was still an admin, to be able to check deleted contributions. It's in many cases hard to argue against a G11 deletion or a promo-only block when you can't check what was written, but too many of the cases I can check are dubious, problematic, hasty and bitey. Fram (talk) 10:10, 23 July 2026 (UTC)

And this was deleted as A7. GreenLipstickLesbian💌🧸 09:44, 11 August 2026 (UTC)

And their treatment of new editors hasn't improved one bit either, e.g. User:Enoch Fernando. Fram (talk) 09:50, 11 August 2026 (UTC)

Category:Years of the 18th century in Ukraine has been nominated for merging

Category:Years of the 18th century in Ukraine has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:13, 28 July 2026 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:1521 disestablishments by country

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:1962 establishments in Oman

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Category:Years of the 19th century in Malta has been nominated for merging

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A barnstar for you!

	The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
	For your proposal regarding our response to the union-busting. — ♠ Ixtal ( T / C ) ⁂ Non nobis solum ♠ 19:00, 5 August 2026 (UTC)

Thank you! Fram (talk) 08:56, 6 August 2026 (UTC)

Draft:Louis Cousin (inventor) — sources updated

The draft you moved out of mainspace on 24 July (reason: "lots of WP:OR with one blog source only to support it... Are there actual reliable independent sources about this?") has since been revised: the two citations that pointed to Wikipedia's own de/da articles have been removed and replaced with an independent secondary source (baustein.info), alongside the two primary patents (BE 311029, GB 529580) and a citation to Der Spielwaren Investor and the Interlego v. Tyco case law. Current text: Draft:Louis Cousin (inventor).

Does this address your concern well enough to move it back to mainspace, or is there something else still missing? Happy to keep improving it before resubmitting either way. Tronicum (talk) 20:05, 8 August 2026 (UTC)

Thanks, but none of these really address the WP:BIO1E aspect, he is only known as the inventor of Batima, so it makes little sense to have a separate article for him instead of a brief biography as part of the Batima article. Sources like this and this aren't really about Cousin (the second one doesn't even mention him). There just aren't good enough sources about him personally. Fram (talk) 09:22, 10 August 2026 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:1985 establishments in Afghanistan

A tag has been placed on Category:1985 establishments in Afghanistan indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

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CFD discussions

Hello, Fram,

I don't participate a lot in CFD discussions any more but I do check a few out when we have a sudden influx of empty categories that have been emptied due to CFD closures and bot activity. Lately, I've seen you participating in some CFD discussions and I just want to say that I think that is great and I'd like to see a few more new faces and new voices join in discussions beyond the 5 or 6 "regular" category specialists.

While the regular participants do do most of the heavy-lifting, I think that CFD, like TFD, can suffer from a small group of participants who represent a small subset of views. They, of course, have a great deal of knowledge and experience behind their opinions but I think that some trends, like this summer's trend of merging annucal categories of smaller, lesser known or former countries, need to be questioned sometimes and not just rubber-stamped. And I've seen both CFD and TFD areas suffer when some of their super-active contributors get indefinitely blocked. It's never good to have any area on the project to be too reliant on a small handful of editors to keep it going just in case something happens to a couple of those editors whether it is illness, death, retirement or being blocked. So, thank you for, "rotating into" the lineup. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:54, 14 August 2026 (UTC)

Thank you! Yes, I try to bring some additional input, as the group of people participating was/is indeed very small, creating a kind of echo chamber (not their fault). Question remains whether categories are worth the hassle in general though. System requires a lot of maintenance for little use. Fram (talk) 08:06, 17 August 2026 (UTC)

On anger

Even if some of your words are not what I would have said, I appreciate your anger at m:Universal Code of Conduct/Coordinating Committee/Cases/2026/Chilling effect on Metawiki. People should be angry when they see injustice done and people in power should have a bit of a backbone and expect that not every experience will be absolute praise, especially if someone has been wronged. That's a trend that tends to bother me about governance (and I've seen this on enwiki too), is that superficial civility (thank you for introducing me to that term). It's also something that bothers me about society in general. That the expectation is that no matter what, you can't express emotion, because that's somehow irrational, when anger tends to be one of the more rational emotions there is. It's true that some people's anger is an overreaction, but in my experience, it rarely is. My experience is influenced greatly by this type of anger, though. It really does bother me that so many people care more about whether someone cares than what's causing that person to feel strongly. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 08:11, 16 August 2026 (UTC)

Hi! I'm rarely angry on Wikipedia, usually disappointed, exasperated and frustrated, but my posts often come across as angry anyway. Anyway, on the case I thnk a few admins and ucoc members have gotten the message, a few others clearly don't, but it isn't all negative. Not everyone displays the attitudes one would hope to see in such an overarching "code of conduct" committee, but it's also a committee few people are interested in so it's not surprising that they are a mixed bag. Fram (talk) 08:10, 17 August 2026 (UTC)

Hi! I'm rarely angry on Wikipedia, usually disappointed, exasperated and frustrated, but my posts often come across as angry anyway I can relate strongly to that in the sense of I'm not feeling whatever emotion until someone is telling me what my own emotions are. Then I get rightfully mad at that. 😅 Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 10:40, 17 August 2026 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day, Fram!

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You missed a word

I think that forgot to type "not" in Diff/1369970281:

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The AI should make statements like

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The AI should not make statements like

‑‑gurkubondinn 09:16, 18 August 2026 (UTC)

Oops, thanks! Fram (talk) 09:19, 18 August 2026 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day!

Hey, Fram. I'd like to wish you a wonderful First Edit Day on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Have a great day! ☘︎☘︎☘︎ALEXHammeke (talk | guestbook | sandbox) 15:05, 18 August 2026 (UTC)

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Flora Cameron Craig

Would you mind if I redirected this to the nursing service article? Ping me. Bearian (talk) 22:06, 18 August 2026 (UTC)

Same thing with Gertrude H Lindsay? Bearian (talk) 22:07, 18 August 2026 (UTC)

These two don´t seem to be mentioned there, in which case they shouldn´t be redirected there. Fram (talk) 05:50, 19 August 2026 (UTC)

Ok. Bearian (talk) 14:42, 19 August 2026 (UTC)

Bismuna Raya Lagoon Natural Reserve

This does not "clearly exist" outside of Grokpedia. Bearian (talk) 03:51, 19 August 2026 (UTC)

Sure about that? Fram (talk) 05:47, 19 August 2026 (UTC)

See e.g. . I'm rather offended that you think I would base my comments on something as bad as Grokipedia. Fram (talk) 07:59, 19 August 2026 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:1950 in Andorra

A tag has been placed on Category:1950 in Andorra indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:1942 in Andorra

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Copyvio?

Huh? Is there a non-obvious explanation for this tag of a translation? BusterD (talk) 09:08, 24 August 2026 (UTC)

Huh? Indeed? Do you think straight translations are somehow not copyright violations? Fram (talk) 09:10, 24 August 2026 (UTC)

Do they really need to be deleted?

User talk:Astropulse and User talk:Cinaroot. They are useful if you want to click onto the user and go through their talk page history or contributions. The guy vanished but I don't really know what the applications of that is other than changing ur username. Does it mean that people can't create redirects from previous names to the new talk page? HerrHeulsuse (talk) 09:48, 24 August 2026 (UTC)

WP:VANISH. Yes, basically, as the name "vanish" implies, the intention is that the user is no longer visibly associated with those old usernames, and at the same time stops editing completely. Often, old user pages are deleted as well. It still is easy enough to find the connection between the older and the "renamed" account, but it isn't made explicit (by e.g. having such redirects). Fram (talk) 09:53, 24 August 2026 (UTC)

Looks like you are involved in yet another scandal...

• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PA8AHGJMPQ
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3sLw1NOUKw
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1lYhuUaSkk

I'm just saying.  :)   --Guy Macon (talk) 17:30, 24 August 2026 (UTC)

-D Fram (talk) 07

49, 25 August 2026 (UTC)

Okay, this is weird. By starting my line with a ";", it somehow ended it at the ":". Weird sideeffect of wikimarkup. Fram (talk) 07:50, 25 August 2026 (UTC)

A semicolon turn on bold, and the first colon it sees (which a sig conveniently contains) turns off the bold and starts a new line. You can make it work with the nowiki tag:

;-D

You can hardly expect the cash-strapped^{[Citation Needed]} WMF to fix bugs in Wikimarkup. After all, they have far more important things to do,^{[Citation Needed]} like making AI edit suggestions and hiding when they hired the union-busting law firm. --Guy Macon (talk) 14:02, 25 August 2026 (UTC)

No need to hide spam in tags, apparently you are allowed to send blatantly brand-promotional "cookies" to people via stanrdard templates and people see no problem with that either... Fram (talk) 14:27, 25 August 2026 (UTC)

New pages patrol September 2026 Backlog drive

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:1972 disestablishments in Ecuador

A tag has been placed on Category:1972 disestablishments in Ecuador indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:2001 in Antigua and Barbuda

A tag has been placed on Category:2001 in Antigua and Barbuda indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:42, 28 August 2026 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:1969 in Antigua and Barbuda

A tag has been placed on Category:1969 in Antigua and Barbuda indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

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Hello, Fram,

These categories were emptied because of Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2026 August 17#Years in Antigua and Barbuda 1928-2009 but I think you're an editor that likes to be notified in these instances in case the categories have been emptied "out of process". Hope you are well! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:51, 28 August 2026 (UTC)

Review of Draft:Bamdad Afshar

I was working on creating the article for Bamdad Afshar when I noticed that it had inadvertently been moved to Draft space.

In any case, could you please review Draft:Bamdad Afshar? If there are no issues with the draft, I would appreciate it if you could move it to the mainspace. KianXBe (talk) 10:47, 9 September 2026 (UTC)

The article needs reliable, independent sources about Afshar. The third source has some info on him, but more is needed to satisfy WP:BIO. Fram (talk) 10:51, 9 September 2026 (UTC)

Yes, I have made the requested changes. Could you please review the draft again and confirm whether the biography is now complete? KianXBe (talk) 11:04, 9 September 2026 (UTC)

Thanks, I moved it back to the mainspace. It's hard for me to adequately judge it, but he seems notable enough. Perhaps others may disagree, my move back to mainspace is no guarantee that it will remain unchallenged, but we'll see. Fram (talk) 12:02, 9 September 2026 (UTC)

Google indexing issue with Wikipedia articles

Hello, I created the article Drunkard Morning quite some time ago, but it still does not appear to be indexed by Google. When I search for the article on Google, I cannot find it at all.

However, the Bamdad Afshar article I created was indexed by Google the very next day.

Could you please check whether there is an issue with the Drunkard Morning article that may be preventing it from being indexed? There are also several other articles I have created that do not appear to have been indexed by Google.

Thank you. KianXBe (talk) 06:25, 13 September 2026 (UTC)

I have no idea how Google does this or how I can help with this. Fram (talk) 09:06, 14 September 2026 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying! I understand. If possible, could you move Drunkard Morning to Draft temporarily, as with Bamdad Afshar, and then move it back to the mainspace afterward? KianXBe (talk) 10:03, 14 September 2026 (UTC)

Articles that haven't gone through NPP review aren't indexed by Google. Bamdad Afshar is considered to have gone through NPP review since an autopatrolled user (Fram) moved it back to mainspace (I'm not sure whether Fram intended to do that or not). Drunkard Morning hasn't been so remains unreviewed. I'm seriously not impressed by your posting identical messages to four users' talk pages; caring that much about the indexing of your article (especially using as an example an article that was previously created by a known UPE sock) is strongly suggestive of paid editing or an ulterior motive. What is your (KianXBe) relationship to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/ArmanAfifeh? Were you paid by anyone to create either article? Why do you care so much? * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:35, 17 September 2026 (UTC)

No, I wasn't paid to create either article, and I don't have any connection to ArmanAfifeh.

Honestly, I was just confused about why Bamdad Afshar is showing up on Google while Drunkard Morning isn't. I noticed the difference and wanted to know what was causing it, so I asked a few people about it. I didn't realize that posting the same question on several talk pages could come across that way.

There isn't any ulterior motive here. I just wanted to understand how Google's indexing of new Wikipedia articles works and why these two articles are being treated differently. KianXBe (talk) 15:43, 17 September 2026 (UTC)

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September 2026

Please do not attack other editors. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. LibStar (talk) 10:43, 16 September 2026 (UTC)

I'm attacking your contribsutions, which are poor. Improve your editing and the remarks will magically stop. Fram (talk) 10:45, 16 September 2026 (UTC)

and cease your WP:WIKIHOUNDING. LibStar (talk) 10:45, 16 September 2026 (UTC)

I notice an issue with your editing, and check your contribs to see if it is a one-off or a general issue. Turns out that it is a general issue. Deal with it. Fram (talk) 10:46, 16 September 2026 (UTC)

It is wikihounding. Consider this your 2nd warning. You obviously don't like me and I ask that you cease your wikihounding. LibStar (talk) 10:50, 16 September 2026 (UTC)

Feel free to bring these issues to WP:ANI. Beware the boomerang though. I'ld prefer if you clean up your act without the need for topic bans, but t's up to you. Fram (talk) 10:51, 16 September 2026 (UTC)

so your wikihounding will continue? LibStar (talk) 10:54, 16 September 2026 (UTC)

My checking your lack of WP:BEFORE and preventing your problematic edits of hurting Wikipedia will continue. Fram (talk) 11:06, 16 September 2026 (UTC)

So you admit you're wikihounding? Do you enjoy it? LibStar (talk) 11:08, 16 September 2026 (UTC)

You are terribly repetitive. Fram (talk) 11:10, 16 September 2026 (UTC)

I take that as you enjoy wikihounding. LibStar (talk) 11:13, 16 September 2026 (UTC)

No, but it is pointless to try to convince someone who claims to be hounded (whether they really feel that way or use it a tactic to silence criticism) that it isn't wikihounding. Anyway, for someone so concerned about personal attacks, you seem to have no problem speculating about someone's motives. Fram (talk) 11:15, 16 September 2026 (UTC)

So you know you are wikihounding but pretend it's about my best interests. Well done. LibStar (talk) 11:18, 16 September 2026 (UTC)

No, but like I said, it's pointless debating this. Please find some other arguments or take it elsewhere. Fram (talk) 11:19, 16 September 2026 (UTC)

it's not pointless, now you are just avoiding the accusation of wikihounding. LibStar (talk) 11:22, 16 September 2026 (UTC)

I don't believe I'm wikihounding, you believe I am, as you have now made clear, what, 6 times already. Fram (talk) 11:23, 16 September 2026 (UTC)

so you'll continue to follow my edits today and tomorrow? LibStar (talk) 11:24, 16 September 2026 (UTC)

Not if you start doing a better job. Checking the edits of problematic editors (or editors problematic in one area) is a good thing. Fram (talk) 11:26, 16 September 2026 (UTC)

combined with an aggressive tone? LibStar (talk) 11:27, 16 September 2026 (UTC)

so you admit you'll be following my editing, despite knowing it's wikihounding LibStar (talk) 11:28, 16 September 2026 (UTC)

8. Fram (talk) 11:29, 16 September 2026 (UTC)

so your wikihounding continues. LibStar (talk) 08:46, 17 September 2026 (UTC)

9. Fram (talk) 09:59, 17 September 2026 (UTC)

I asked you yesterday if you would continue wikihounding the next day, I guess I was right. Reply with a number will indicate you agree. LibStar (talk) 10:02, 17 September 2026 (UTC)

No. 10. Fram (talk) 10:02, 17 September 2026 (UTC)

you replied with a number. I predict the wikihounding will continue tomorrow. Reply with a numeral if you agree. Do you enjoy wikihounding? LibStar (talk) 10:05, 17 September 2026 (UTC)

No and no. 11. Fram (talk) 10:06, 17 September 2026 (UTC)

Reply with the word no and numeral 12 if you agree you know you're wikihounding. LibStar (talk) 10:08, 17 September 2026 (UTC)

I guess anyone who sees this discussion will see who is being obnoxiously aggressive here. I have no interest in what you believe my posts mean, and don't accept your rules or interpretations. 12. Fram (talk) 10:13, 17 September 2026 (UTC)

You have a definite interest in me and will continue to follow me tomorrow. LibStar (talk) 10:15, 17 September 2026 (UTC)

in my 19 years of Wikipedia, wikihounders get all defensive when it is pointed out to them, they justify their behavior and aggressive tone as their normal edits. LibStar (talk) 10:17, 17 September 2026 (UTC)

13. Fram (talk) 10:19, 17 September 2026 (UTC)

Some wikihounders simply reply with numerals because they know their wikihounding and know their behavior will continue. Reply with the number 14 for full agreement. LibStar (talk) 10:21, 17 September 2026 (UTC)

I guess anyone who sees this discussion will see who is being obnoxiously aggressive here. I have no interest in what you believe my posts mean, and don't accept your rules or interpretations. 14. Fram (talk) 10:21, 17 September 2026 (UTC)

The arrogance of some wikihounders is amazing. About 3 days ago before this wikihounding commenced I told you to dial down your aggressive tone. Yet the only lame response you can give now is reply with a numeral. LibStar (talk) 10:24, 17 September 2026 (UTC)

And that makes 15 posts of you repeating the same accusation. Please take it elsewhere. Fram (talk) 10:26, 17 September 2026 (UTC)

cat got your tongue now? LibStar (talk) 10:27, 17 September 2026 (UTC)

not an accusation, it's a fact. And you have agreed to it in your numeric responses above. Perhaps now get off my back before telling me to go elsewhere. LibStar (talk) 10:28, 17 September 2026 (UTC)

I only have agreed to it in your own mind. Please take it elsewhere. Fram (talk) 10:30, 17 September 2026 (UTC)

Perhaps now get off my back before telling me to go elsewhere. That's a request LibStar (talk) 10:31, 17 September 2026 (UTC)

Please raise any issue you have with my edits elsewhere. Continuing these pists is useless. Fram (talk) 10:37, 17 September 2026 (UTC)

Ironically you tell me go elsewhere yet you still follow me. I'll make it plain and simple, cease following me and I'll cease commenting on it on your talk page. Do you understand? LibStar (talk) 10:39, 17 September 2026 (UTC)

Please take your concerns elsewhere. Fram (talk) 10:45, 17 September 2026 (UTC)

once you stop following me. It's that simple. LibStar (talk) 10:47, 17 September 2026 (UTC)

I have been extremely patient here. Your next similar reply will lead to an ANI discussion with a suggestion to block you. Fram (talk) 10:52, 17 September 2026 (UTC)

So you agree to stop following me? LibStar (talk) 10:56, 17 September 2026 (UTC)

I do apologise if your patience is tested, you can at least see my annoyance at being followed. LibStar (talk) 10:59, 17 September 2026 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious

Seven years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:48, 20 September 2026 (UTC)

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Elton Manning Jackson

@Fram, I notice you removed a huge chunk of info from the article Elton Manning Jackson and I just reverted it.

I disagree with you on the reasons why you did it. There were multiple cases of suspected serial killers also named the prime suspect in serial killing cases but were also convicted of only one murder, like Daniel Conahan, the Hog Trail Killer recently executed in Florida, and Elias Abuelazam, the Flint Serial Stabber.

There were multiple sources that prove the police naming Jackson as an official suspect behind the killings due to the cases sharing a lot of similarities and even the FBI considered him the "best suspect" in in the Hampton Road killings.

Instead of removing away the info without any discussion, how about we proceed with a talk discussion in the talk page of the article and don't remove it until we get an outcome of the case NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 22:21, 29 September 2026 (UTC)

@Fram, or we can make a move discussion to instead rename the page as Hampton Roads serial murders and rewrite it to focus on the killings and also put in the conviction and suspicion around Jackson. After all his status as the best suspect was still relevant enough since the murder of Andre Smith, for which he was convicted, was found to be similar to the other 11 victims through investigations. NelsonLee20042020 (talk) 22:26, 29 September 2026 (UTC)

That's not how BLP works. Content removed for BLP reasons stays out of the article until there is a consensus that it can be included, not the other way around. As always, what is or isn't in other articles is not really relevant (though it explains why you included it here as well), we have problematic articles everywhere. We have hoaxes whch existed for 15 years, that's not a reason to allow other hoaxes to remain for as long either.

What we definitely shouldn't do is e.g. list 12 victims in an article about a murderer convicted for one murder, not for 12. Fram (talk) 07:38, 30 September 2026 (UTC)

Questions About Questions About Air Destinations

I asked some questions that may seem rhetorical but are meant as real questions about whether the dispute about airline destinations is a content dispute, a conduct dispute, or both. You then replied with a question that may seem rhetorical, but I recognize was a real question. I wanted to be sure that you understood that I think we agree with each other and disagree with some other posters. I think my question at this point is who you were addressing when you wrote: Don't you think that if this was purely a content dspute without cnduct issues, this would have been closed long ago.. Then you wrote: Reading the above discussion before asking such questions would be helpful. I did read the above discussion, and that is why I asked the questions. I think that the idea that it is purely a content dispute is wishful thinking, but you didn't ask me that. I think that that ANI thread may fizzle out and be archived without conclusive action and without closure, and will then come back in a month or two, but you didn't ask, because maybe that is what you are implying.

So were you addressing me, or a few other editors? Robert McClenon (talk) 05:10, 30 September 2026 (UTC)

I was adressing you, as your questions seemed either badly informed (as in, you didn't read the sections above it) or unproductive (as in, we all know it isn't a pure content dispute, what's the point of asking that?). I didn't and don't see the point of your comment. Fram (talk) 07:34, 30 September 2026 (UTC)

My point was to imply that two editors had just said it was a content dispute. They had read the sections above, and had come to the conclusion that resolving the content dispute would alleviate the conduct issues. I meant my question to be rhetorical in the sense that I was asking them to think about the above sections. Maybe I was too subtle, because you thought I was asking a stupid question. I had proposed a way of dealing with the conduct, but maybe I was too subtle, because no one responded to my proposal.

I see that one of the editors who thinks it is a content dispute is proposing a new RFC. It is a content dispute, but it is a content dispute that is complicated by conduct. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:21, 30 September 2026 (UTC)

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request for review

My watchlist now showed me your edit saying Editor spamming journal they founded and/or articles they wrote. At the same time @DavidLevinson is an administrator. Is this a mistake or do we really have that sort of an issue? --Joy (talk) 10:08, 14 October 2026 (UTC)

Wow, is he an admin? Didn't know that. Yes, then we have a very serious issue. They probably did it before as well, I will check, but their 150 or so edits since 10 October have been all inserting either articles they wrote or from the journal he is the founder of. Self-spam happened before this as well but at least didn't involve all their edits. Fram (talk) 10:19, 14 October 2026 (UTC)

Looking at his admin activity, he seems to have done very little with the tools. Some of it is very dubious (restoring pages he created and which were speedy deleted) but those were in a distant past: so not something to take action about now anymore, but indicative that a) little would be lost if they were no longer an admin and b) sticking to the rules has not really been something they cared about then either. I'll wait to see how they react to this episode (they had already stopped editing when I first noticed this), but a voluntary desysop would probably be a good idea. Fram (talk) 10:36, 14 October 2026 (UTC)

For people’s user rights, you may want User:Bugghost/Scripts/UserRoleIndicator.js. Cheers, _{In solidarity} Wikipedian12512 (Talking is fine | contribs) 11:23, 14 October 2026 (UTC)

Should we bring this up at WP:AN? --Joy (talk) 12:05, 14 October 2026 (UTC)

Let's first wait for their reply, it's usually prefered to first discuss things with an editor before involving the noticeboards (barring extreme stuff like death threats or whatever). While this looks very bad (for every editor, and certainly for an admin), it doesn't necessitate such urgent intervention that we can't even give them a chance to reply first. Fram (talk) 12:46, 14 October 2026 (UTC)

The contribution list seems to be alphabetical. Are we sure they didn't let a bot run, and the bot is ignoring us? --Joy (talk) 12:57, 14 October 2026 (UTC)

If they resume this editing, they can expect a very swift ANI thread, block and desysop. It may be a bot or an AI agent, as it would be remarkable proficiency to write this in 2 minutes, then this 1 minute later, and then this 1 minute later again... Fram (talk) 13:02, 14 October 2026 (UTC)

Given that their last user talk edit was in 2024 - replying to someone asking if they used AI to edit and replying with what I would consider to be a non-denial denial...

Last page talk was 2026 and the one before that was 2022...

The alphabetical editing and identical edit summary screams AI bot editing imo. I think this should be raised at ANI ASAP. Turini2 (talk) 09:18, 15 October 2026 (UTC)

@Joy and @Fram, I noticed these edits as well. Yes, this should definitely be discussed somewhere, but WP:ANI may be a better venue to discuss them. I'm not sure if Fram's talkpage (i.e. here) is the best place to discuss this, since if there's a behavioral issue this should preferably be discussed where more editors would be able to see it. – Epicgenius (talk) 15:36, 14 October 2026 (UTC)

I can't stop people from starting an AN(I) discussion, but like I said above, would prefer to wait until they have responded or restarted. Fram (talk) 16:01, 14 October 2026 (UTC)

We also have edits from a few months back like this one and a whole series of similar ones, all sourced to their own publication in their own journal, and where the publication doesn't contain most of the data given in the article (only one year, 1919 for Sacramento, seems to be present in the source, including its supplements?). Fram (talk) 16:39, 14 October 2026 (UTC)

Was his account compromised? His recent edits seem suspicious. Ahri Boy (talk) 17:45, 14 October 2026 (UTC)

No, spam has been going on for months(at least), just the speed has increased dramatically (perhaps supported by an AI agent or something similar) Fram (talk) 18:19, 14 October 2026 (UTC)

Ohh... That would be a hint for WP:SIGNPOST and Qiuwen Baike news. Ahri Boy (talk) 00:15, 15 October 2026 (UTC)

As requested by at least some of you, I have now started WP:AN#Spam and possible AI Bot use by DavidLevinson, please continue the discussion there. Fram (talk) 16:25, 15 October 2026 (UTC)

Fram, I noticed your concern above about Streetcars in Sacramento, and found the same thing you did when I looked at the paper and its pdf supplement: for Sacramento streetcar trackage, it only mentions the maximum year. But then I noticed that in the Wikipedia article there's a link below the chart to the raw data. That goes to c:Data:McGraw electric railway directory company observations.tab on Commons (where it was noted as being too big to edit). I haven't been suspicious enough to check the line items (especially since they're in miles on Commons but in km in the article chart), but assuming they correspond to the chart plot points, WP:V is satisfied (and it seems Wikipedia readers in fact get more in that respect than readers of the journal article). I thought of posting this to the AN discussion but decided to hold off for now depending how the discussion turns, since it winds up not being a criticism.

However ... the chart, which DavidLevinson added in a tailored form to numerous articles on August 10–11, has the years across the bottom as if they are numerical values: 1,920 for 1920, etc. I cannot figure out for the life of me where the chart resides to edit that, and a spot check shows it in the corresponding chart in other articles. Maybe you or one of your talk page stalkers, or DavidLevinson himself, can help out here. Yngvadottir (talk) 22:54, 16 October 2026 (UTC)

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Wikidata lists

Hallo Fram, I've been looking at Category:Articles with bare URLs for citations and tried to help out by emptying Category:Articles with bare URLs for citations from August 2026. Looked very simple: the only member of the category is List of rivers in Cornwall which consists of a table, with 4 Bare URL refs listed under "References", all reasonable solid sources when I click on them.

But - you knew there would be a "but" - when I try to edit the article I find that it consists of a set of lines such as

{{Wdtable row/river1|qid=Q7337070}}

Some of these generate a Bare URL reference, presumably dragged over from Wikidata.

Looking around to find out about {{Wdtable row}}, I found Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/Archive 197#Wikidata lists, which you started. It didn't seem to get anywhere. Do you know of any way to fix the problem of Bare URLs in Wikidata lists, or whether there has been any further progress on restricting this use of Wikidata?

I see that the list was converted to use Wikidata in a series of 2021 edits by @MSGJ:, who was another participant in that discussion.

Can either of you suggest how we can fix these Bare URL refs? PamD 08:23, 15 October 2026 (UTC)

MSGJ caused this mess by insisting on the use of such terrible wikidata lists, MSGJ can fix it. Simply "subst" all the WD templates doesn't work. Basically a page that can't be meaningfully edited on enwiki. No idea why such things are allowed or why some editors want them, they are clearly worse than if we would create it as a standard enwiki list. Fram (talk) 08:30, 15 October 2026 (UTC)

Yes, I've just discovered by experiment that Subst doesn't work. PamD 08:39, 15 October 2026 (UTC)

I've fixed the template to make subst (sort-of) work. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:03, 15 October 2026 (UTC)

Thank you! Fram (talk) 17:06, 15 October 2026 (UTC)

@Pppery Thanks. List of rivers of Cornwall now has no Bare URLs, although the code looks a bit of a nightmare, and Category:Articles with bare URLs for citations from August 2026 is empty! PamD 22:50, 15 October 2026 (UTC)

I made it somewhat less of a nightmare. Simply removing the now unnecessary pencil icons removed 1/3rd of the pagesize. Fram (talk) 08:14, 16 October 2026 (UTC)

Yes, looks better. I'm sure it would be possible to convert the (to me) unfamiliar <tr> etc tags into the more common formatting for a table, but not sure it's worth the effort. But that's one maintenance category now empty. Job done. Thanks. PamD 16:31, 16 October 2026 (UTC)

Michel Lunarca

Hi Fram! I am currently going through old discussions on the WP:HOAXMUSEUM talk page, to look for entries that have been discussed but were never actually added to the list. I came across this one from 2025, started by you: Wikipedia talk:List of hoaxes on Wikipedia/Archive 4#Michel Lunarca and the invention of the croque-monsieur -- I even commented on it myself. I think you had consensus to go ahead and add it. Renerpho (talk) 21:53, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

I've added it, we'll see if it gets contested or not! Fram (talk) 07:59, 22 October 2026 (UTC)

You're a star!

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		Thanks for your ongoing work to populate and salvage categories at CFD. Your efforts are appreciated! RevelationDirect (talk) 02:22, 26 October 2026 (UTC)