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History of combinatorics

I noticed you like Combinatorics. I feel recent changes to History of combinatorics are pretty ridiculous. I thought you might consider working on that article. Thanks, Mhym (talk) 06:45, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi Mhym, you mean this edit from a couple days ago? I will try to find time to look it over. All the best, JBL (talk) 12:01, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Yes. See e.g. the last sentence. I seriously doubt that Stanley's impact is in Matroid Theory "and more". Mhym (talk) 21:18, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. Spring break is just starting, I will sit down and take a good hard look. (The diff is too complicated to read at a glance, which is my usual editing approach.) --JBL (talk) 16:07, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

@Mhym: oh it's really oddly focused on poset theory, isn't it? (Like, I'm happy to see Rota and Stanley get mentnioned, but no graph theory or Erdos? No connections to algebra or other fields? Very odd.) Well, I've started with the ancient stuff, but I'll definitely get to the contemporary section eventually and try to do something more comprehensive with that. --JBL (talk) 19:57, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

Fundamental theorem of calculus

I would like to restructure the article on Fundamental theorem of calculus. Since this could be disputed, I think you are the perfect one to review this one, most of which are sourced, although messy in the latter. Dedhert.Jr (talk) 02:09, 5 November 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Dedhert.Jr:, I will try to take a look sometime this week. --JBL (talk) 21:19, 5 November 2025 (UTC)

Take your time. Dedhert.Jr (talk) 01:01, 7 November 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Dedhert.Jr, I had a first read through your draft and I want to make sure I understand what I'm looking at. Is it correct to summarize the big-picture changes as follows, working from top to bottom?

• the expansion of the History section into two parts, one that is history and one that is general background on calculus;
• the removal of two uncited sections on intuition;
• restructuring the main mathematical sections so that each half of the theorem is immediately followed by its proof, rather than giving statements of several theorems in one ssection and proofs in several subsequent sections; and
• removal of the uncited Examples section

(and also the addition or improvement of references in the parts that are not removed). Is there anything major that changed aside from these points? Thanks, --JBL (talk) 19:01, 8 November 2025 (UTC)

For examples section, I could added anyway. I was hoping to connect the calculus topic background to those fundamental theorems, in addition to recap. The second theorem section, somehow, has a good illustration for description, which I cannot figure it out where to place it. Any ideas, or any additional ideas you want to pour in? Dedhert.Jr (talk) 01:19, 11 November 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Dedhert.Jr, I'm not entirely sure that I understood this message. Is it an answer to my questions? If so, could I ask you to be a bit more direct in response? Thanks, --JBL (talk) 00:22, 14 November 2025 (UTC)

Okay let me rephrase. I replied to your comment on summarize: my point in this draft is to rewrite the whole article, which includes the removal of sections on intuition, adding the examples for each fundamental theorem, and restructure the theorem sections followed by the proof, as you suggested.

At the same time, I would like to connect the definition of integral and derivative in the "background" section to the fundamental theorems per WP:MTAU, which might be helpful to understand the proof as well. I have no idea how to do it, and perhaps I could probably rewrite it as well and follow the book sources. The same reason when I was trying to keep the illustration for the second theorem.

Let me know if you have some comments for improvements or found some flaws in my ideas. Dedhert.Jr (talk) 01:36, 14 November 2025 (UTC)

Thanks, that helps. I will take another look through and see if I can come up with some substantive/constructive thoughts. --JBL (talk) 00:41, 18 November 2025 (UTC)

Hi Dedhert.Jr, I wanted to apologize that it's taking me so long to get to this; I haven't forgotten, and I hope to say something meaningful later this month. --JBL (talk) 18:06, 9 December 2025 (UTC)

Like I said. Take your time. You can give the comments anytime. Dedhert.Jr (talk) 03:55, 10 December 2025 (UTC)

Hi Dedhert.Jr,

Here are some (rather scattered) thoughts:

• It is odd that the current article takes so very long to get around to the statement of either part of the theorem; I think there is definitely something to be said about a structure like yours where the statements come earlier.
• The section 'Sketch of geometric proof' in the present article is totally unsourced, but I believe that in principle it could be sourceable. Compared with the first, informal proof in your version, it has a higher ratio of words to symbols; it is closer to how I present the proof in class, i.e., I feel that it is less technical and more approachable.
• You have grouped the proofs together with the theorem statements; I am ambivalent about that choice (I think it has advantages and disadvantages); I could imagine other editors strongly prefering one way or the other.
• Your version has removed the (totally unsourced) section on examples. Some section of examples is definitely warranted in this article and definitely sourceable (I don't know about the specific content in the current article).
• I think your additional background on calculus is a nice idea.
• Because I have dilly-dallied so long in responding to you, there have been some changes in the article; especially, there has been the addition by Stepwise Continuous Dysfunction of a new (sourced) section 'Variations in terminology', based on discussion on the article talk-page. I think that section should certainly be included.
• There are some issues with English grammar and wording in your version; it would benefit from a copy edit by a native English speaker fluent in mathematics. I would be willing to do this, but I would wait until it the last minute (i.e., until you are otherwise ready to go).

I hope that these comments are useful; please let me know if there is any other way I can help. All the best, --JBL (talk) 00:33, 20 January 2026 (UTC)

@JayBeeEll. Our current article is somewhat disorganized. That is why I was trying to wrap into two different theorems, each has a background, statement, and proofs. About the proofs, should we ask more opinions since I rewrote them from the given citation? For the grammar problem, I could count on you, as long as we make it less technical, instead of solely hieroglyphics. Dedhert.Jr (talk) 04:36, 20 January 2026 (UTC)

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Wondering about $\mathbb {N} _{0}$

Hi, I just saw your edit from the other day replacing $\mathbb {N} _{0}$ with $\mathbb {N}$, and I was wondering about your comment: why is it "a terrible notation that no one should use?" The previous $\mathbb {Z} _{\geq 0}$ is much less appealing to me than $\mathbb {N} _{0}$, plus I have the impression the latter is very common (no stats, just feels...). Thanks, o_andras (talk) 08:08, 22 November 2025 (UTC)

Hi o_andras, thanks for your message. As soon as I submitted that edit summary I thought "oh that was a bit too strident", but it was too late to tone it down -- sorry about that.

There are large communities of people for whom $\mathbb {N}$ always means the positive integers, and also large communities of people for whom $\mathbb {N}$ always means the nonnegative integers (as described at Natural number); maybe there are also people who go both ways, I'm not sure. For the first group of people the notation $\mathbb {N} _{0}$ has only one thing it could mean, but it's never used by the second group, and its meaning is not transparent for them. The notation $\mathbb {Z} _{\geq 0}$ is clunky but has the virtue that its meaning is completely transparent, regardless of one's attitude about $\mathbb {N}$. --JBL (talk) 21:49, 22 November 2025 (UTC)

All good, I understand. I'm in the "$\mathbb {N}$ includes zero but make that explicit to everyone else" camp. :) Might be better to revert to $\mathbb {Z} _{\geq 0}$, then? It's the most explicit, as you say. --o_andras (talk) 09:55, 23 November 2025 (UTC)

Hi @O andras, okay, we belong to the same tribe :). At present it seems to me like the article is consistent in using $\mathbb {N}$ for the nonnegative integers, so the one copy of $\mathbb {N} _{0}$ to represent the nonnegative integers was incongruous, and likewise one single copy of $\mathbb {Z} _{\geq 0}$ for the same set would be incongruous. Personally I try to avoid making edits like swapping an entire article from one reasonable notation to another reasonable notation (but that needn't be binding on anyone else), in the spirit of MOS:FORMULA and MOS:STYLERET. The virtue of the ambiguity of $\mathbb {N}$ is that I think everyone realizes it has two possible meanings (and what they are), so as long as it's explained somewhere which choice has been made, the reader should be okay. --JBL (talk) 19:20, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

Please explain

Hello, I just saw that you reverted my edit on Rubik's Cube. Can you tell me why you did that? -Lex Luthor :) — Preceding undated comment added 16:24, 27 November 2025 (UTC)

oh and I forgot to @ you; @JayBeeEll. Lex Luthor :) 16:26, 27 November 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Lexical Ambuiguity Fixer, I reverted your edit because it was unsourced and because I do not find it plausible that the misspelling "Rubix" is in widespread use, as represented by reliable sources on the topic. --JBL (talk) 18:57, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

I see. Lex Luthor :) 18:36, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

OOPS

Sorry for this Facepalm - DVdm (talk) 22:56, 8 December 2025 (UTC)

No worries, it happens! --JBL (talk) 00:02, 9 December 2025 (UTC)

Poor edit

Astonishing. The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

I noticed that you reverted my addition to the Sequence article. In what way is it a poor edit? Kevincook13 (talk) 16:33, 27 December 2025 (UTC)

@Kevincook13: Instead of separately reaching out to every editor who reverts one of your edits on their individual talk-pages, it would be better to put discussion on the article talk-page, which is the appropriate venue to establish a consensus about edits to an article. The short answer to your question is that I find Deacon Vorbis's comment on a different edit to be a compelling description of this edit as well, as well as of the general pattern of your editing. I am willing to discuss further, but only in the appropriate venue, Talk:Sequence. --JBL (talk) 18:36, 28 December 2025 (UTC)

@JayBeeEll: I was hoping that you would explain why you thought that my edit was poor. I can explain why I think it is needed. It clarifies meaning. Currently, we begin our article by stating that a sequence is an enumerated collection. Later, in a section discussing formal definitions, we state that a sequence is a function without explaining why we defined the term differently at the beginning of the article. Such poor editing confuses meaning. Kevincook13 (talk) 17:55, 29 December 2025 (UTC)

@Kevincook13: Which part of the sentence I am willing to discuss further, but only in the appropriate venue, Talk:Sequence was unclear to you? --JBL (talk) 18:04, 29 December 2025 (UTC)

@JayBeeEll The part I don't understand is what you mean by discuss further. You haven't discussed my edit at all, except to state that it was poor. One word of characterization is hardly a discussion. I expect that when one editor reverts another editors work, the revert will include an explanation. You failed to explain the reason you reverted my edit, when you reverted it. You have also failed to provide an explanation here on your talk page. Further, I don't see one on the Sequence talk page, and I have no faith that I will see one there in the future. I believe that you don't have one, that you are willing to frankly admit. Kevincook13 (talk) 15:48, 30 December 2025 (UTC)

• There's a certain beauty to the, um, sequence: I am willing to discuss further, but only in the appropriate venue ... I was hoping that you would explain ... I am willing to discuss further, but only in the appropriate venue ... The part I don't understand is what you mean by discuss further. EEng 23:25, 4 February 2026 (UTC)

  The only beautiful thing about this sequence was its finitude. --JBL (talk) 19:25, 5 February 2026 (UTC)

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Socking

@Izno and DrKay: sorry I can't (for uninteresting reasons) file an SPI at this moment, but you both reverted ~2025-37349-34 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) a few weeks ago and they're now clearly back as ImperialHouse (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). But also this is probably the same person as Unfriendnow (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log): compare vs and vs (I'll file an SPI in a couple days when I have the chance if you don't have the opportunity to act on it -- and happy new year!) --JBL (talk) 20:15, 31 December 2025 (UTC)

I was tagged in this. i don't know either accounts, and If I reverted something, I am sorry, and I definitly did not mean to revert something that was already reverted. I believe you are referencing a change I made to Template:Hanoverian royal family. The reason I made that edit, was because When making a list of royals, there titles in that royal family should be used. Alessandra de Osma is her name, but in regards to the Hanoverian royal family, she is Princess Christian of Hanover. This is because her husband is Prince Christian of Hanover, and in the German tradition, a wife takes her husbands title in entirety. ImperialHouse (talk) 20:27, 31 December 2025 (UTC)

Blocked. DrKay (talk) 22:28, 31 December 2025 (UTC)

Thank you! --JBL (talk) 21:13, 1 January 2026 (UTC)

Umm...

...wow, thank you ~ Lindsay ~2026-52451-8 (talk) 21:21, 24 January 2026 (UTC)

@LindsayH and ~2026-52451-8: You're welcome! There have been a bunch of people in the 60-69% range at admin election, and I thought all of them would make good administrators, but you're the one whose failure to be elected was in my opinion the biggest disappointment -- it just seemed when I was reviewing candidates that you'd be great at it. (I am not keyed-in enough to have a sense of whether this view is widely shared/to offer concrete advice about it -- just offering a drive-by thought.) --JBL (talk) 21:50, 24 January 2026 (UTC)

Disambiguation page

The three pages I added to the Set disambiguation page are all about distinct concepts in mathematics, all referred to by the same term: "set". Kevincook13 (talk) 20:20, 28 January 2026 (UTC)

No, they are specific kinds of sets (just as open sets, closed sets, partially ordered sets, etc. are). This is a very straightforward application of WP:PTM: disambiguation pages are not for partial title matches like this. If you are inclined to respond with anything that contains the words "general audience" or "academics" or equivalent formulations, or that includes any version of the idea that "set" really means "finite set" or vice-versa, please just skip it and to save me the trouble of removing your message. --JBL (talk) 20:30, 28 January 2026 (UTC)

That term "set" is the issue. Used alone, one cannot be certain exactly what concept is being referenced, even if we specify that it is being used in mathematics. Kevincook13 (talk) 21:06, 28 January 2026 (UTC)

The Wikipedia article about the mathematical concept "set" is the article Set (mathematics). It is the unique article on Wikipedia about that topic. The other articles you added are not about the mathematical concept "set" any more than the article Open set is, they are about specific families, kinds, or types of sets, and this situation is precisely what WP:PTM addresses. I know that you dislike the article Set (mathematics) and object in some obscure way to the situation that it is what it is, but that is completely irrelevant. --JBL (talk) 21:18, 28 January 2026 (UTC)

The article should be about one definite and distinct concept, but it isn't. Kevincook13 (talk) 21:40, 28 January 2026 (UTC)

I know that you dislike the article Set (mathematics) and object in some obscure way to the situation that it is what it is, but that is completely irrelevant to the question at hand. --JBL (talk) 21:43, 28 January 2026 (UTC)

i noticed that you didn't disagree. Kevincook13 (talk) 22:59, 28 January 2026 (UTC)

For the complete avoidance of doubt: I have been attempting to be polite to you, but your position is utterly unfounded, and in fact completely ridiculous. Almost nothing you have said in the various discussions where I have observed you is coherent, let alone correct. This latest angle is so transparently wrong it makes me wonder if you are engaged in some complicated kind of performance art or parody. --JBL (talk) 00:11, 29 January 2026 (UTC)

Note to future self: . --JBL (talk) 20:51, 8 February 2026 (UTC)

I appreciate your candor and the information provided at RS/N

Just wanted to say thanks for the helpful information you provided at RS/N! I dislike leaving things on a bad note, so I will offer you this tea as a peace offering in the hopes of leaving things on a positive note and wish you well with your Wikipedia endeavours! All the best! 11WB (talk) 22:26, 14 February 2026 (UTC)

@11WB: Thanks for the message; sorry for editing while grumpy. --JBL (talk) 18:19, 16 February 2026 (UTC)

No worries! I realise my comment regarding the word you used could've been read as sarcasm. It was a genuine observation on my part, but I saw pretty quickly how it could be read as obtuse, so I apologise for that. The entire discussion was unnecessary in all honesty. Had I taken the time to find those older posts, I would have had the answer without needing to take up editor time. The RfC you linked genuinely was helpful! 11WB (talk) 18:52, 16 February 2026 (UTC)

Contesting Removal of Reduced Primorials from Primorials page

This article was removed after being up for almost 2 weeks. The reason cited for removal was: "Rv uncited, presumably original research; see WP:OR". This reason is empirically false, and is without merit.

WP:OR states:

Wikipedia articles must not contain original research. On Wikipedia, original research means material—such as facts, allegations, and ideas—for which no reliable source has ever been published. By this, the community means that the reliable source must have been published and still exist—somewhere in the world, in any language, whether or not it is reachable online—even if no source is currently named in the article. Articles that currently name zero references of any type may be fully compliant with this policy—so long as there is a reasonable expectation that editors could find a published, reliable source to support every bit of material. This includes any analysis or synthesis of published material that reaches or implies a conclusion not stated by the sources. To demonstrate that one is not adding original research, one must be able to cite reliable, published sources that are directly related to the topic of the article and directly support the material being presented. The prohibition against original research means that it must be possible for editors to find a reliable, published source that directly supports any given bit of material. Uncited material does not automatically violate this policy because it can be verifiable even though it is not cited. For example, the statement "the capital of France is Paris" does not require a source to be cited, nor is it original research, because editors could find a reliable source that directly supports this sentence if they tried to.

The topic of Reduced Primorials, showing their construction and use, resides in existing published materials, in English, in reliable sources.

See the two published articles below:

On The Infinity of Twin Primes and other K-tuples

https://ijmcr.in/index.php/ijmcr/article/view/867

https://ijmcr.in/index.php/ijmcr/article/view/867/678 (pdf; pgs 4756-58)

Derivation|Correction of Hardy-Littlewood Twin Prime Constant using Prime Generator Theory (PGT)

https://ijmcr.in/index.php/ijmcr/article/view/1099

https://ijmcr.in/index.php/ijmcr/article/view/1099/837 (pdf)

Therefore, even those these citations are my own papers, they meet the criteria of being published, in peer reviewed reliable sources, that still exist. And most importantly, the work cited in them is 100% mathematically valid and undisputed.

Thus, I request the reversion of this article be undone, and it be restored to its original location. If citations need to be included, please advise the necessary editing to include them. Jzakiya (talk) 15:58, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

@Jzakiya: Sorry but these papers are obviously not reliable sources (they come down on the wrong side of nearly every bullet-point at WP:SCHOLARSHIP), but even if they were the addition would not be appropriate because of WP:DUE. Since I have no doubt you will not just take my word for this, I invite you to open a discussion at either WP:RSN or WT:WPM with the following neutral question, or some reasonable variant thereof: "Are the papers https://ijmcr.in/index.php/ijmcr/article/view/867/678 and https://ijmcr.in/index.php/ijmcr/article/view/1099/837 reliable sources for this https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Primorial&diff=1344333936&oldid=1343010923 addition to the article Primorial? This was disputed by User:JayBeeEll, who suggested I post here for additional opinions."

Finally, while it is not relevant to the content questions (WP:OR/WP:DUE), you should also take care to respect the behavioral guideline WP:PROMO. --JBL (talk) 18:29, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

I assume you didn't read the papers and see how the topic of reduced primorials was developed and used in them. The only argument you make is to subjectively question the journal the papers appear in as a proxy to not evaluating the topic in the papers on its own basis. It would be more helpful to explain, mathematically, how the topic of reduced primorials does not merit inclusion as an expanded understanding to the general topic of primorials, which was the sole purpose of its inclusion. They have a very important role, conceptually and computationally in number theory, and people should know what they are.

I will raise the question of their restored inclusion on the discussion groups you suggested. Jzakiya (talk) 18:54, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

Ok. --JBL (talk) 23:32, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

As you suggested, I created a topic of discussion on this here.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics#Re-inclusion_of_Reduced_Primorials_within_Primorials_page Jzakiya (talk) 19:49, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

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P=NP article

Hi JayBeeEll: Lede should be a summary of the article and not introduce material which is not first covered in the main body of the article according to WP:Lede. Could the article be brought into the Lede format consistent with MOS as I tried to do yesterday? ErnestKrause (talk) 20:38, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

Hi ErnestKrause, neither of your edits had any discernable relationship to lead-body coherence that I can see. I would be happy to discuss this in more depth, but may I propose we do it at the article talk-page Talk:P versus NP problem so that other editors of the page will also have the opportunity to weigh in? --JBL (talk) 20:49, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

OK, I've moved it there. I'll look forward to your comments when you have time to get around to it. ErnestKrause (talk) 20:54, 25 March 2026 (UTC)

Thanks. --JBL (talk) 18:18, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

elementary symmetric polynomial reversion

hey, thanks for reverting my bogus edit. I spent the past x months working with fermionic creation/annihilation operators and it didnt occur to me to consider the terms in the expansion where X_i occurs more than once. I guess what I wrote there could have been salvaged by adding "...and assuming X_i anticommutes with itself for all i..." but that is really not a very noteworthy property. My bad! Dvojka110 (talk) 14:03, 5 April 2026 (UTC)

Hi @Dvojka110: ha, I was wondering what happened, that's a funny background. No worries at all, of course! Happy editing, --JBL (talk) 17:36, 6 April 2026 (UTC)

Weak Base article

Hi, thanks for fixing up things on the Weak Base article. I did my best to fix certain things, but the use of a times symbol seemingly as a variable really threw me. I thought it was a different variable. Glad the parsing issues have been resolved. SailorKuu (talk) 00:51, 15 April 2026 (UTC)

@SailorKuu: No problem, and thanks for your attempt to fix it. When I come across something on a Wikipedia article that seems really nonsensical (like the use of × as a variable or badly broken formulas) I look through the history at the last few edits -- often it turns out that it's the result of a relatively piece of vandalism (or, in this case, someone using a script and being negligent about checking the output) and the right thing to do is just restore a previous edit. --JBL (talk) 19:55, 15 April 2026 (UTC)

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certainly not

I am sorry, what is the problem here? 1234qwer1234qwer4 21:23, 23 April 2026 (UTC)

"G.H. Hardy" is not the last name of an author (ditto the other). I have since cleaned the whole section up. --JBL (talk) 18:42, 24 April 2026 (UTC)

Neither was "G.H. Hardy and E.W. Wright" a last name. Undoing my edit was unnecessary. Thanks for the cleanup. 1234qwer1234qwer4 20:47, 24 April 2026 (UTC)

Feedback on Three fair coin flips tree diagram

Hello,

Thank you for your feedback on my tree diagram, I've implemented your tips into the code.

TealComet (talk) 08:04, 26 April 2026 (UTC)

Thanks, TealComet, it is certainly much more legible now. My other observation/criticism/opinion about your figure is that I am not sure that the meaning of the numerical labels is self-explanatory to someone who doesn't already understand probability trees; I think it would be much more common to have the labels 1/2 on the edges (rather than the vertices), as in File:Probability_tree_diagram.svg. Happy editing, --JBL (talk) 23:44, 26 April 2026 (UTC)

Euler number/characteristic confusion

Hi! I saw you reverted my adding of Euler characteristic to the "not to be confused with" section of the Euler numbers page, saying that it is a deeply implausible confusion. I don't think I agree—in fact I made this edit after myself being confused and wondering if there is some connection between Euler numbers and "Euler numbers" as I have heard from others. I have seen other cohomological invariants being formally related to power series expansions (like the Todd class) so I did not think it was unreasonable for Euler numbers to be related to "Euler numbers/characteristics." What do you think? AndyrooP (talk) 03:42, 29 April 2026 (UTC)

Hi AndyrooP, can I suggest we move this discussion to Talk:Euler numbers? I don't find this especially compelling but rather than the two of us disagree it would be more natural to hear from other editors and see what they think. (We could also solicit additional views at WT:WPM or WP:3O.) --JBL (talk) 17:38, 29 April 2026 (UTC)

Sure, I went ahead and added discussion to Talk:Euler numbers. AndyrooP (talk) 18:37, 30 April 2026 (UTC)

New pages patrol May 2026 Backlog drive

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Are you JBL (wrestler)?

BinaryBrainBug (talk) 19:11, 20 May 2026 (UTC)

Lol, no, sorry to disappoint. (I am also not a Philipino jurist, Japanese sports league, academic journal, or American manufacturer of audio equipment). --JBL (talk) 19:59, 20 May 2026 (UTC)

New chess piece images

I wanted to discuss those new chess piece images I put up. Sorry this took so long, I had other commitments. Sammy2012 (talk) 08:30, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

No apology necessary. As I recall, you made some additions that I objected to, based on WP:OR/WP:UGC. What are your thoughts? --JBL (talk) 18:16, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

So about those ferz and wazir images in particular...

Those images are sourced from The Chess Variant Pages. You said that it's not a reliable source and that's why you removed them - but I wish to make a counterargument. There are already several articles on this website that use The Chess Variant Pages as a source - and I believe if those can pass muster, these images should too. Sammy2012 (talk) 07:57, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

Hi Sammy2012, thanks for your message. I don't think I'm the one who reverted you on ferz and wazir specifically, but I'm happy to talk with you about it. It is my longstanding opinion that The Chess Variant Pages is basically just a webforum, blog or other self-published source for purposes of reliability. The relevant Wikipedia guidelines are WP:RS, WP:SPS, and WP:DUE. Such sources can be useful for some things (especially in the context of WP:EXPERTSPS), but in my opinion the statement "the symbol for the fairy chess piece X is Y" (or even the claim "the fairy chess piece X has a standard symbol") is pretty much automatically dubious because "symbols for fairy chess pieces" only barely have an existence beyond a very small number of hobbyists. I think it is unlikely that you will succeed in getting me to change my longstanding view on this point. However, it is not actually necessary for you to change my opinion in order to make edits, it is just necessary for there to be a consensus of editors. The best ways to get such a consensus would be to open discussions in a venue like an article talk-page (if it's just one article) or WP:Third opinion (if a discussion has only involved two editors and they disagree), or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Chess (if you want to solicit the views of editors who specifically edit chess articles) or WP:RSN (if you want to solicit the views of editors who specifically are interested in the question of what makes a source reliable). I would be grateful if you would ping me in any such discussion that you started.

(As a side-note: the specific argument "X is done on some Wikipedia page, so it should also be done on this one" is not generally regarded as very convincing in Wikipedia discussions, as Wikipedia articles get to be the way they are by all sorts of random processes, and most of them have deficiencies of one kind or another. It's possible that some uses of the Chess Variant Pages that currently exist I would have objected to if I had been aware of them, that some are used in ways that I wouldn't have objected to but for reasons that don't apply here, or many other scenarios.) --JBL (talk) 17:52, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

Okay, I've started a topic on WikiProject Chess's talk page. Sammy2012 (talk) 06:02, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

Articles for Creation backlog drive

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Just as a matter of interest...

Sretan Božić does actually mean Merry Christmas! There's even a song of that name. :-) Laterthanyouthink (talk) 10:46, 29 July 2026 (UTC)

@Laterthanyouthink: Thanks; I don't spend too much time worrying about the truth value of statements by people who have forfeited their right to participate in the community, but it's nice to know that (as usual) Vb doesn't know what he's talking about. --JBL (talk) 17:26, 29 July 2026 (UTC)

Yes - same, but I only looked it up yesterday because I was curious! Laterthanyouthink (talk) 02:41, 30 July 2026 (UTC)

Why was my edit wrong?

You did not tell why it was wrong? That does not help me. I explained my edit and was somehow sure it was correct.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Step_function&diff=1368716426&oldid=1368647267&variant=en Clemens Tolboom (talk) 10:13, 14 August 2026 (UTC)

ouch .. re-reading the full page I now see I was wrong .. sorry about the edit I did ;-( Clemens Tolboom (talk) 10:20, 14 August 2026 (UTC)

Hi @Clemens Tolboom:, thanks for your message. I'm glad you were able to figure it out yourself. No apology necessary, it happens to everyone sooner or later! Happy editing, --JBL (talk) 20:07, 14 August 2026 (UTC)

New pages patrol September 2026 Backlog drive

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A matter of opinion...

In this edit to the article Field (mathematics) you gave the edit summary '"uncited, uninteresting if true, and certainly undue and inappropriate in this spot"'. I agree with your edit, and would have done the same if I'd got there before you, and I also agree with all of your edit summary except for "uninteresting if true". I actually did find it interesting years ago when I discovered that an axiom which is always included everywhere where a field is defined is in fact redundant. JBW (talk) 20:53, 4 September 2026 (UTC)

Sure, yes, it is a matter of opinion. Maybe this will also be of interest: Some years ago I acquired a book on mathematics education that consisted of eight lectures by one G. St. L. Carson, delivered in 1912 or 1913. The first sets out the theoretical foundations of mathematics: there is a long discussion of the importance of understanding the distinction between postulates and axioms, and another about the distinction between deductions and proofs. Then the reader gets a list of The Three Functions of Mathematics: apparently, starting with a collection of “postulates, the truth of which is no concern of mathematics”, they are to perform deductions via the use of logical axioms, “to ascertain whether the set of postulates is consistent”, and finally to demonstrate that the chosen postulates are irredundant. --JBL (talk) 10:44, 5 September 2026 (UTC)

Science hyphen fiction

I added the notification at WPM but, because I decided that Applied Mathematics is arguably not the same grammatical structure, thought it better to just delete it. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 07:18, 5 September 2026 (UTC)

I know, I just think it’s good practice to explain where I can from, as I was showing up to opine on a talk page of an article I’d never edited. “Applied mathematics exam” or “applied mathematics degree” are close if maybe not exactly the same. Personally I use the constructions “a type-A object” and “an object of type B” a lot in my professional writing consistently, but “science fiction convention” does not feel parallel. (In the more informal context of writing comments on talk-pages, I think I use all three of “talk page”, “talk-page”, and “talkpage”.) --JBL (talk) 10:53, 5 September 2026 (UTC)

P.S. @JBW and JMF: from now on only editors with three-letter signatures beginning with “J” should post on this page ;) --JBL (talk) 11:23, 5 September 2026 (UTC)

Well, since that's been brought up I may as well mention that JMF you are eligible for membership of the Wikipedian TLA club, if you wish to join. However, JBL, I'm afraid you aren't. The club has very strict rules, and having a username that sounds like a TLA but isn't doesn't count, nor does having a signature which makes it look as though your username is a TLA but it isn't. Sorry, but rules are rules. JBW (talk) 20:48, 5 September 2026 (UTC)

"Rules is rules" Tch! The kids of today! they've just never been learned how to talk proper. I blame the parents!

FWIW, I started a similar TLA club a few years ago but it never got off the ground - never attracted more than two or three editors. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 22:01, 5 September 2026 (UTC)

The club has very strict rules, and having a username that sounds like a TLA but isn't doesn't count, nor does having a signature which makes it look as though your username is a TLA but it isn't. Tragic :(. I have always regretted that User:JBL was taken when I joined. --JBL (talk) 11:05, 6 September 2026 (UTC)

JMF was also taken, by someone in fr.wikipedia. But they only ever did one edit and hadn't been active in over five years. So I put in a request to pre-empt (or supplant ow whatever it is) and succeeded in securing it. If that doesn't work, dump manure or tomatoes on the steps of the town hall until 'they' give in.--𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 13:07, 6 September 2026 (UTC) The artist formerly known as user:John Maynard Friedman

On ASK.fm, don’t keep going back to the previous page.

Hello,

I reverted the ASK.fm page to Daniel’s latest version, but you are repeatedly undoing the edits. Daniel Case has already reviewed and approved the current information and placed the page under protection in its latest form.

The reason for this is that a particular visitor has repeatedly engaged in vandalism on the page, attempting to remove existing information. As a result, Daniel Case protected the page for one year. The visitor I am referring to is the owner of an ASK.fm clone application called ventto.me, and they repeatedly make similar changes wherever they are able to edit, seemingly attempting to undermine the existing ASK.fm brand and attract users to their own application:

https://ventto.me/a/cmu3x3qsw00vzfg9nb07shi6r

Their actions do not appear to be motivated by a good-faith attempt to improve the article.

Furthermore, ASK.fm is not currently a newsworthy website in the sense that its activities receive significant coverage from reliable independent media. Even when the site shut down, the coverage was limited to only a few non-corporate blog websites. Therefore, expecting major corporate news organizations or established technology publications to report extensively on its revival does not seem reasonable, especially when the site's closure itself did not receive substantial coverage.

Additionally, according to Wikipedia's policies, a company's own statements can be used as sources in certain circumstances, even when independent sources are unavailable. The current information does not claim that the new company is a continuation of the original ASK.fm. It simply states that it is a revival project that acquired the trademark rights to the ASK.fm brand.

The information regarding the closure of the original website also remains in the article as part of its historical background.

If you check the trademark records through Trademark Elite UK, you can see that the ASK.fm trademark was transferred to another company in 2025, and the trademark protection was subsequently extended for another ten years, until 2034. In addition, the existing ASK.fm company was liquidated during the same month in which the trademark was transferred:

https://www.solocheck.ie/Irish-Company/Askfm-Europe-Limited-551873

Therefore, I believe the current version of the page accurately reflects the available information without making the claim that the new ASK.fm is the same corporate entity as the original website. Frutiesd79 (talk) 23:35, 16 September 2026 (UTC)

I am leaving this here just to serve as a note to myself to revist the large amount of website hijacking/usurpation/spam that I have seen in the last week. Aside from this case, there is also Special:Contributions/Searchinternet121 on AltaVista, from September 12, from 9/9, and from 9/8. --JBL (talk) 00:13, 18 September 2026 (UTC)

Username note on my talk page

Quick question so I understand the objection: is the concern the word "troll" or the political reference? Political usernames aren't barred by WP:USERNAME on their own, so if it's "troll," I'd rather know that's the whole issue before deciding what to do. MAGA troll (talk) 01:01, 20 October 2026 (UTC)

I disagree that my response is a necessary precondition of you behaving appropriately. --JBL (talk) 11:17, 20 October 2026 (UTC)

Math/logic talk

Thank you for your less than emotional conduct on the issue of inexact inference. I was surprised by the level of emotion displayed by others by the mention of the word fuzzy in the absence of a single recent article edit on the subject. I will not bother with the issues further. Why should I? It is a rather strange and unpredictable world, even in reality for people in that field. I do not know why. I happened to know both Zadeh and Pearl long ago and would have never expected them to have such unhappy endings. Pearl lost his son, and Zadeh disowned his on moral grounds. His son even changed his name. I guess it best to avoid that field. It is more than a backwater. Have a good day. Yesterday, all my dreams... (talk) 15:50, 29 October 2026 (UTC)